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2017-12-10

SUBMARINES  –  U-BOOT  TYPE  "VIII"

Type VIII
Type XXI
Type XXIX
S-655
S-574
P-629
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Background
Background
Background
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The Type VIII U-boot is an Atlantic Air Combat™ fantasy.  It will stand for all WWII vintage German submarines which served post-war in various European navies, except the Type XXI.  As target attrition has to be considered, the actual number of them is a key issue.  So more ships and more navies are at stake than historical.  Then several of these submarines did see service post war but not many as late as the sixties as shown the table furher below.

The main purpose of the Type VIII is to standardize the model and especially its anti-aircraft artillery.  Seen from the air and from an attacking  point of view, the number of torpedo tubes matters very little, and while the length of the VII and IX were of different, both types are thus represented by a single reference.  Part of the general performances of submarines do matter however :

the possible depth at which it may be found – the standard travelling depth is -50 meters, occasionally deeper

the speed on surface and/or submerged

the AA armament it carries (when encountered on the surface)

SPECIFICATIONS

Then fictional Type VIII stands as follows against its brethens :

Types

Qty

LOA Displ Speed Range nm Range Tube Tube Torp Mine Msl Gun Guns Guns Crew
    ~ Subm ~ sf/sm Surface Submerged Max Bow Stern  Qty TM – Main AA2 AA1 -

Type.VIIC

568

67 m

1050 t

6.2m 18/   8.kt

8 500/10.kt

80/  4.kt

220 m 4 1 14 26 –   88mm – 1Χ20mm 48

Type.VIIC41

91

67 m

1050 t

6.2m 18/   8.kt

8 500/10.kt

80/  4.kt

220 m 4 1 14 26 –   88mm 1Χ37mm 4Χ20mm 48

Type.VIII

Fake

77 m

1 250 t

6.5m 18/   7.kt

12 000/10.kt

64/  4.kt

230 m 4 2 22 44 – 105mm 1Χ37mm 4Χ20mm 52

Type.IXB

14

77 m

1 250 t

6.5m 18/   7.kt

12 000/10.kt

64/  4.kt

230 m 4 2 22 44 – 105mm – 1Χ20mm 52

Type.IXC

54

77 m

1 250 t

6.5m 18/   7.kt

12 000/10.kt

64/  4.kt

230 m 4 2 22 44 – 105mm – 1Χ20mm 52

Type.XXI

118

77 m

1 800 t

8.0 m 16/17.kt

15 500/10.kt

285/  6.kt

280 m 6 – 23 12 – – – 4Χ20mm 58

Type.XXIX

2

84 m

2 200 t

8.0 m 16/17.kt

15 500/10.kt

285/  6.kt

280 m 6 – 23 12 3 – – 4Χ20mm 58

Armament

Type LOA Weight Ψ Speed Filling Range

Illustrations : Weapons

Illustrations : Type VIII (GIF)

Gun –   20mm AA

C38 –

120 grm

– 450 rpm

22 grm

  3700 m

       –

Radar directed in AAC™ aboard XXI and XXIX

Gun –   30mm AA

M42 –

640 grm

– 150 rpm

104 grm

  4800 m

       –

       –

Gun – 105mm

C32 –

– lb

–   15 rpm

– lb

15350 m

       –

Naval gun only, not dual purpose

Torpedo

G7e 7.2 m

3 534 lb

21" 30 kt

640 lb

  5000 m

       –

Torpedo-Mine

TMA2 2.3 m

~650 lb

21" –

475 lb

–

2 per torpedo tube possible

Torpedo-Mine

TMB1 2.3 m

1 625 lb

21" –

1 230 lb

–

3 per torpedo tube possible

Torpedo-Mine

TMB2 2.3 m

1 625 lb

21" –

1 230 lb

–

       "

       "

Torpedo-Mine

TMB3 2.8 m

1 475 lb

21" –

925 lb

–

       "

       "

Torpedo-Mine

TMBS 2.6 m

1 600 lb

21" –

1 230 lb

–

2 per torpedo tube possible

Torpedo-Mine

TMC1 3.4 m

2 450 lb

21" –

2 050 lb

–

2 per torpedo tube possible

Torpedo-Mine

TMC2 3.4 m

2 200 lb

21" –

1 760 lb

–

       "

       "

German Vintage WWII Submarines in Atlantic Air Combat™  –  Real and Fictional Background

At the Potsdam Conference, the number of ex-German submarines to be shared between the main Allies (UK/USA/USSR) had been set at ten boats for each nation.  The Agreement was revised later however, and more boats were allowed.  In particular, the various nations where these vessels surrendered were entitled to claim them back, an opportunity Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Denmark, The Netherlands, and Norway eagerly seized.  The same principle was applied to neutral nations, allowing Sweden to keep those ships having surrendered with them in May 1945, and Spain to recover U-760 which had been interned in 1943 (and not purchased as U-573 had been).  Besides, as they were enough of them available, other countries having been occupied or having been part of the Alliance, albeit remotely, were also presented with the possibility to receive these boats an option which allowed South Africa to receive no less than four Type XXI as the Guardian of the Southern Gate, but also Portugal who showed interest in the two boats stored in Gibraltar.

Then, other arrangements took place as time passed.  Australia, which had initially shown no interest in operating submarines, changed their view a few years later.  However, with a couple of Type XXI soon to be relinquished by the USN, they had to satisfy themselves with what was available then, and had to repay for the many refurbishing works carried out in the interval, albeit at a discounted price.  More surprisingly, the USSR tranferred three subs to the Deutsche Democratic Republic.

Regarding the type VII and IX, here is how the naval situation looked like in 1963 :

- Hull Operator Hull Name 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967

Events

Real/Fiction

–

VIIC

U-977

Argentina

S-1

– 1945 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Mar del Plata

45.08.17

IXC/40

U-530

Argentina

S-2

– 1945 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Mar del Plata

45.07.10

IXD2

U-874

Brazil

SS-1

Belιm

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Belιm

45.07.09

IXD2

U-875

Brazil

SS-2

Vitσria

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Vitσria

45.07.24

IXC/40

U-190

Canada

SS-72

Tremor

1946 1968 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bay of Bulls

45.05.14

IXC/40

U-805

Canada

SS-73

Tremblant

1946 1968 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Porthmough

45.05.05

IXC/40

U-889

Canada

SS-74

Dιjΰ Vu

1946 1968 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Shelbourne

45.08.13

VIIC/41

U-318

Chile

SS-17

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Punta Arenas

45.08.31

VIIC/41

U-328

Chile

SS-18

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Puerto Montt

45.08.29

IXD2

U-861

Chile

SS-19

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Conceptiσn

45.09.04

IXD2

U-873

Chile

SS-20

–

1949 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Conceptiσn

45.09.13

IXC

U-680

Denmark

S-320

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Baring Bay

45.05.05

IXC

U-155

Denmark

S-324

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Baring Bay

45.05.05

IXC/40

U-806

Denmark

S-325

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Aarhus

45.05.06

IXD2

U-1233

Denmark

S-330

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Baring Bay

45.05.05

VIIC

U-471

France

S-609

Millι

1946 1963 >> >> >> >> >> 1963 > > > >

Captured

Toulon

44.08.06

VIIC

U-766

France

S-610

Laubie

1947 1963 >> >> >> >> >> 1963 > > > >

Captured

La Rochelle

45.05.08

IXB

U-123

France

S-611

Blaison

1946 1959 >> 1959 > > > > > > > >

Captured

Lorient

44.06.17

IXC

U-510

France

S-612

Bouant

1945 1959 >> 1959 > > > > > > > >

Captured

St.Nazaire

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-991

Holland

S-810

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Den Helder

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-992

Holland

S-815

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Den Helder

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-994

Holland

S-815

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Den Helder

45.05.09

VIIC

U-926

Norway

S-307

Kya

1948 1964 >> >> >> >> >> >> 1964 > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC

U-1202

Norway

S-308

Kinn

1951 1961 >> >> >> 1961 > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-995

Norway

S-309

Kaura

1952 1965 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1965 > >

Surrender

Trondheim

45.05.09

VIIC

U-310

Norway

S-311

–

1947 1947 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Trondheim

45.05.09

VIIC

U-315

Norway

S-312

–

1947 1947 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Trondheim

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-324

Norway

S-313

–

1947 1947 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC

U-485

Portugal

S-156

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Gibraltar

45.05.12

VIIC

U-963

Portugal

S-157

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Nazarι

45.05.20

VIIC/41

U-1277

Portugal

S-158

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Porto

45.06.03

IXC/40

U-541

Portugal

S-159

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Gibraltar

45.05.12

IXC/40

U-1228

South.Africa

S-94

Gans Bay

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Portsmouth

45.05.17

IXC/40

U-1230

South.Africa

S-95

Port.Elisabeth

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Heligoland

45.05.05

VIIC

U-573

Spain

G7

–

1942 1970 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

Interned

Vigo

42.05.02

VIIC

U-760

Spain

G8

–

1945 > > > > > > > > > > >

Interned

Vigo

43.09.08

IXA

Export

Turkey

–

Saldiray

1939 1958 1958 > > > > > > > > >

–

–

–

IXA

Export

Turkey

–

Atilay

1940 1942 > > > > > > > > > >

–

–

–

IXA

Export

Turkey

–

Yildiray

1946 1957 > > > > > > > > > >

–

–

–

VIIC

U-570

UK P175

S-44

HMS Graph

1942 1944 > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Atlantic

41.08.27

VIIC

U-712

UK N??

S-45

HMS Grim

1945 1950 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Kristiansand

45.05.09

VIIC

U-776

UK N??

S-46

HMS Graal

1945 1950 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Portland

45.05.06

VIIC

U-953

UK N??

S-48

HMS Grand

1945 1950 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Trondheim

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1108

UK N??

S-35

HMS.Grace

1945 1949 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Horten

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1171

UK N19

S-36

HMS.Groin

1945 1949 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Stavanger

45.05.09

VIIC

U-1057

USSR

S-81

–

1946 1955 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC

U-1058

USSR

S-82

–

1946 1958 1958 > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Loch Eriboll

45.05.10

VIIC/41

U-1064

USSR

S-83

–

1946 1956 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Trondheim

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1305

USSR

S-84

–

1946 1955 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Loch Eriboll

45.05.10

VIIC/41

U-1002

USSR

S-85

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1004

USSR

S-86

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1005

USSR

S-87

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1009

USSR

S-88

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Loch Eriboll

45.05.10

VIIC/41

U-1010

USSR

S-89

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Loch Eriboll

45.05.14

VIIC/41

U-1019

USSR

S-90

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Trondheim

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1022

USSR

S-91

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

VIIC/41

U-1023

USSR

S-92

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Weymouth

45.05.10

VIIC/41

U-1109

USSR

S-93

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Loch Eriboll

45.05.12

VIIC/41

U-1110

USSR

S-94

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

List

45.05.14

IXC/40

U-1231

USSR

B-26

–

1946 1957 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Loch Eriboll

45.05.13

XXI

U-2513

Australia

S-55

Revenge 1952 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Horten

45.05.09

XXI

U-3008

Australia

S-56

Reward 1952 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Kiel

45.05.11

XXI

U-2518

France

S-613

Roland Morillot 1946 1967 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1967

Surrender

Horten

45.05.09

XXI

U-3017

France

S-618

Jean Favreul

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Horten

45.05.09

XXI

U-3535

Germany.E

D-1

(ex-R-1)

1956 > > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXI

U-3536

Germany.E

D-2

(ex-R-2)

1956 > > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXI

U-3537

Germany.E

D-3

(ex-R-3)

1956 > > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXI

U-2540

Germany.W

T-241

Wilhelm Bauer 1957 1984 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

Scuttled

–

45.05

XXI

U-2502

South.Africa

S-90

Durban

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Horten

45.05.09

XXI

U-2506

South.Africa

S-91

Hermanus

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

XXI

U-2511

South.Africa

S-92

Knysna

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

XXI

U-3514

South.Africa

S-93

Koeberg

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Bergen

45.05.09

XXI

U-2533

Sweden

U-11

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Interned

Berga

45.05.12

XXI

U-2534

Sweden

U-12

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Interned

Berga

45.05.01

XXI

U-2535

Sweden

U-13

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Interned

Berga

45.05.01

XXI

U-2536

Sweden

U-14

–

1946 > > > > > > > > > > >

Interned

Berga

45.05.01

XXI

U-2529

USSR

B-27

–

1946 1957 > > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Kristiansand

45.05.09

XXI

U-3035

USSR

B-28

–

1946 1958 1958 > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Stavanger

45.05.09

XXI

U-3041

USSR

B-29

–

1946 1958 1958 > > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Horten

45.05.09

XXI

U-3515

USSR

B-30

–

1946 1959 >> 1959 > > > > > > > >

Surrender

Horten

45.05.09

XXI

U-3538

USSR

R-4

–

1948 1956 > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXI

U-3539

USSR

R-5

–

1948 1956 > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXI

U-3540

USSR

R-6

–

1948 1956 > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXI

U-3541

USSR

R-7

–

1948 1956 > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXI

U-3542

USSR

R-8

–

1948 1956 > > > > > > > > > >

Captured

Danzig

45.03

XXIX

U-796

Sweden

U-15

–

1947 > > > > > > > > > > >

Interned

Visby

45.05.04

XXIX

U-797

Sweden

U-16

–

1948 > > > > > > > > > > >

Interned

Visby

45.05.04

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